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  &lt;p&gt;&quot;Keith Welsh&quot; &lt;kwels...@hotmail.com&gt; wrote in message &lt;br /&gt; &lt;br /&gt;news:3923fd33_3@dilbert.ic.sunysb.edu... &lt;br /&gt; &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&gt; have 2 problems with the brakes. &#160; The first is the breaks pulsates when &lt;br /&gt; &gt; pressed. &#160;&gt; pulsation of the pedal is perhaps a half an inch. &#160;The second &lt;br /&gt; problem is &lt;br /&gt; &gt; that breaks always seem to be slightly on. &lt;br /&gt; &lt;br /&gt;Well, my thinking is that the 1st problem is related to the 2nd one. Let&#039;s &lt;br /&gt; say the master cylinder is causing the brakes to be partially applied at &lt;br /&gt; times - - that would cause the rotors to heat up and warp which would cause &lt;br /&gt; a pulsating pedal - - &lt;br /&gt; &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Al. Lawrence in Alberta &lt;br /&gt;
  
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<p>&gt; have 2 problems with the brakes. &nbsp; The first is the breaks pulsates when <br /> &gt; pressed. &nbsp;&gt; pulsation of the pedal is perhaps a half an inch. &nbsp;The second <br /> problem is <br /> &gt; that breaks always seem to be slightly on. </p>
<p>Well, my thinking is that the 1st problem is related to the 2nd one. Let&#8217;s <br /> say the master cylinder is causing the brakes to be partially applied at <br /> times &#8211; - that would cause the rotors to heat up and warp which would cause <br /> a pulsating pedal &#8211; -  </p>
<p>Al. Lawrence in Alberta </p>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Sep 2010 10:28:39 +0000</pubDate>
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  Thanks for the response &lt;br /&gt; &lt;p&gt;I did forget to mention that the &quot;lockup&quot; happen to all four wheels. &#160; At &lt;br /&gt; the time that the vehicle brakes where stuck in the engaged position (even &lt;br /&gt; with the car off), I jacked up each wheel on the car and found that they &lt;br /&gt; were all &quot;locked&quot; (not 100% locked, but close enough). &#160;I disengaged the &lt;br /&gt; emergency break on the back which did not help. &#160;I did check the front &lt;br /&gt; brakes. &#160;It revealed that the rotors where in pretty &quot;groovy&quot; shape (excuse &lt;br /&gt; the pun) and would need replacing. &#160;I too was guessing that that was the &lt;br /&gt; reason for the pulsating, but not the lockup, since all 4 wheels locked. &#160;So &lt;br /&gt; I don&#039;t think that the calipers are the reason for the break dragging &lt;br /&gt; problem. &lt;br /&gt; &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;keith &lt;br /&gt; &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&quot;Tom Heintz&quot; &lt;tomn...@ktis.net&gt; wrote in message &lt;br /&gt; &lt;br /&gt;news:8g11kl$72s$1@veger.ktis.net... &lt;br /&gt; &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;- Hide quoted text -- Show quoted text -&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&gt; Keith Welsh &lt;kwels...@hotmail.com&gt; wrote in message &lt;br /&gt; &gt; news:3923fd33_3@dilbert.ic.sunysb.edu... &lt;br /&gt; &gt; &gt; Hello &lt;br /&gt; &gt; &gt; I have a 85 Plymouth Duster 2.2 l engine (like the turismo and charger). &lt;br /&gt; &gt; I &lt;br /&gt; &gt; &gt; have 2 problems with the brakes. &#160; The first is the breaks pulsates when &lt;br /&gt; &gt; &gt; pressed. &#160;The pulsation is a very smooth and does not change much with &lt;br /&gt; &gt; &gt; vehicle speed or breaking strength. &#160;The peak to peak movement of the &lt;br /&gt; &gt; &gt; pulsation of the pedal is perhaps a half an inch. &lt;br /&gt; &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&gt; This sounds like your rotors are warped. &#160;If they weren&#039;t turned for the &lt;br /&gt; &gt; last brake job or if your brakes are close to ready for another brake job &lt;br /&gt; &gt; you will have this problem. &#160;Chrysler was notorious for warped rotors from &lt;br /&gt; &gt; about the early 80&#039;s through now. &#160;This could be caused your second &lt;br /&gt; problem &lt;br /&gt; &gt; that you have listed below. &lt;br /&gt; &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&gt; &#160;The second problem is &lt;br /&gt; &gt; &gt; that breaks always seem to be slightly on. &#160;This is a transient problem. &lt;br /&gt; &gt; &gt; Meaning sometimes the breaks seem to be fine (completely off when the &lt;br /&gt; &gt; break &lt;br /&gt; &gt; &gt; pedal is not pressed) and the other extreme is the point where the car &lt;br /&gt; &gt; &gt; brakes had be engaged (not by any pressure on the break pedal) to the &lt;br /&gt; &gt; point &lt;br /&gt; &gt; &gt; that the car would not move. &#160;The latter was the case even with the car &lt;br /&gt; &gt; not &lt;br /&gt; &gt; &gt; running. &#160;It is a master cylinder problem? &#160;What would cause this type &lt;br /&gt; of &lt;br /&gt; &gt; effect. &lt;br /&gt; &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&gt; Two possible answers come to mind here. &#160;It could be that your parking &lt;br /&gt; brake &lt;br /&gt; &gt; is dragging sometimes (In other words, even though the parking brake is &lt;br /&gt; &gt; released, the cable or mechanism is a little rusted or frozen causing &lt;br /&gt; &gt; everything to not release). &#160;The othere possibility would relate to your &lt;br /&gt; &gt; problem above. &#160;Your front brake calipers are slightly frozen and not &lt;br /&gt; &gt; releasing everytime you let off of the brakes. &#160;In this case you will at &lt;br /&gt; the &lt;br /&gt; &gt; very least need to take the calipers loose and clean all of the hardware &lt;br /&gt; &gt; that it floats on and have your rotors turned. &#160;At this point you may need &lt;br /&gt; &gt; to replace the rotors. &#160;At the very least get a look at your brakes so &lt;br /&gt; that &lt;br /&gt; &gt; you can formulate a plan before you get to the point of not having brakes &lt;br /&gt; &gt; when you need them. &lt;br /&gt; &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&gt; &gt; thanks in advance &lt;br /&gt; &gt; &gt; keith &lt;br /&gt; &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&gt; I hope this helps. &#160;If you have any other questions or just want to let me &lt;br /&gt; &gt; know how it turns out, feel free to write. &#160;Good Luck &amp; God Bless. &lt;br /&gt; &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&gt; Tom Heintz &#160;&quot;Mopar Maniac&quot; &lt;br /&gt; &lt;br /&gt;
  
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the response <br /> 
<p>I did forget to mention that the &quot;lockup&quot; happen to all four wheels. &nbsp; At <br /> the time that the vehicle brakes where stuck in the engaged position (even <br /> with the car off), I jacked up each wheel on the car and found that they <br /> were all &quot;locked&quot; (not 100% locked, but close enough). &nbsp;I disengaged the <br /> emergency break on the back which did not help. &nbsp;I did check the front <br /> brakes. &nbsp;It revealed that the rotors where in pretty &quot;groovy&quot; shape (excuse <br /> the pun) and would need replacing. &nbsp;I too was guessing that that was the <br /> reason for the pulsating, but not the lockup, since all 4 wheels locked. &nbsp;So <br /> I don&#8217;t think that the calipers are the reason for the break dragging <br /> problem.  </p>
<p>keith  </p>
<p>&quot;Tom Heintz&quot; &lt;tomn&#8230;@ktis.net&gt; wrote in message </p>
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<p>&gt; Keith Welsh &lt;kwels&#8230;@hotmail.com&gt; wrote in message <br /> &gt; news:3923fd33_3@dilbert.ic.sunysb.edu&#8230; <br /> &gt; &gt; Hello <br /> &gt; &gt; I have a 85 Plymouth Duster 2.2 l engine (like the turismo and charger). <br /> &gt; I <br /> &gt; &gt; have 2 problems with the brakes. &nbsp; The first is the breaks pulsates when <br /> &gt; &gt; pressed. &nbsp;The pulsation is a very smooth and does not change much with <br /> &gt; &gt; vehicle speed or breaking strength. &nbsp;The peak to peak movement of the <br /> &gt; &gt; pulsation of the pedal is perhaps a half an inch.  </p>
<p>&gt; This sounds like your rotors are warped. &nbsp;If they weren&#8217;t turned for the <br /> &gt; last brake job or if your brakes are close to ready for another brake job <br /> &gt; you will have this problem. &nbsp;Chrysler was notorious for warped rotors from <br /> &gt; about the early 80&#8242;s through now. &nbsp;This could be caused your second <br /> problem <br /> &gt; that you have listed below.  </p>
<p>&gt; &nbsp;The second problem is <br /> &gt; &gt; that breaks always seem to be slightly on. &nbsp;This is a transient problem. <br /> &gt; &gt; Meaning sometimes the breaks seem to be fine (completely off when the <br /> &gt; break <br /> &gt; &gt; pedal is not pressed) and the other extreme is the point where the car <br /> &gt; &gt; brakes had be engaged (not by any pressure on the break pedal) to the <br /> &gt; point <br /> &gt; &gt; that the car would not move. &nbsp;The latter was the case even with the car <br /> &gt; not <br /> &gt; &gt; running. &nbsp;It is a master cylinder problem? &nbsp;What would cause this type <br /> of <br /> &gt; effect.  </p>
<p>&gt; Two possible answers come to mind here. &nbsp;It could be that your parking <br /> brake <br /> &gt; is dragging sometimes (In other words, even though the parking brake is <br /> &gt; released, the cable or mechanism is a little rusted or frozen causing <br /> &gt; everything to not release). &nbsp;The othere possibility would relate to your <br /> &gt; problem above. &nbsp;Your front brake calipers are slightly frozen and not <br /> &gt; releasing everytime you let off of the brakes. &nbsp;In this case you will at <br /> the <br /> &gt; very least need to take the calipers loose and clean all of the hardware <br /> &gt; that it floats on and have your rotors turned. &nbsp;At this point you may need <br /> &gt; to replace the rotors. &nbsp;At the very least get a look at your brakes so <br /> that <br /> &gt; you can formulate a plan before you get to the point of not having brakes <br /> &gt; when you need them.  </p>
<p>&gt; &gt; thanks in advance <br /> &gt; &gt; keith  </p>
<p>&gt; I hope this helps. &nbsp;If you have any other questions or just want to let me <br /> &gt; know how it turns out, feel free to write. &nbsp;Good Luck &amp; God Bless.  </p>
<p>&gt; Tom Heintz &nbsp;&quot;Mopar Maniac&quot; </p>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Sep 2010 10:28:38 +0000</pubDate>
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  &lt;p&gt;Keith Welsh &lt;kwels...@hotmail.com&gt; wrote in message &lt;br /&gt; &lt;br /&gt;news:3923fd33_3@dilbert.ic.sunysb.edu... &lt;br /&gt; &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&gt; Hello &lt;br /&gt; &gt; I have a 85 Plymouth Duster 2.2 l engine (like the turismo and charger). &lt;br /&gt; I &lt;br /&gt; &gt; have 2 problems with the brakes. &#160; The first is the breaks pulsates when &lt;br /&gt; &gt; pressed. &#160;The pulsation is a very smooth and does not change much with &lt;br /&gt; &gt; vehicle speed or breaking strength. &#160;The peak to peak movement of the &lt;br /&gt; &gt; pulsation of the pedal is perhaps a half an inch. &lt;br /&gt; &lt;br /&gt;This sounds like your rotors are warped. &#160;If they weren&#039;t turned for the &lt;br /&gt; last brake job or if your brakes are close to ready for another brake job &lt;br /&gt; you will have this problem. &#160;Chrysler was notorious for warped rotors from &lt;br /&gt; about the early 80&#039;s through now. &#160;This could be caused your second problem &lt;br /&gt; that you have listed below. &lt;br /&gt; &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&#160;The second problem is &lt;br /&gt; &gt; that breaks always seem to be slightly on. &#160;This is a transient problem. &lt;br /&gt; &gt; Meaning sometimes the breaks seem to be fine (completely off when the &lt;br /&gt; break &lt;br /&gt; &gt; pedal is not pressed) and the other extreme is the point where the car &lt;br /&gt; &gt; brakes had be engaged (not by any pressure on the break pedal) to the &lt;br /&gt; point &lt;br /&gt; &gt; that the car would not move. &#160;The latter was the case even with the car &lt;br /&gt; not &lt;br /&gt; &gt; running. &#160;It is a master cylinder problem? &#160;What would cause this type of &lt;br /&gt; &lt;br /&gt;effect. &lt;br /&gt; &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Two possible answers come to mind here. &#160;It could be that your parking brake &lt;br /&gt; is dragging sometimes (In other words, even though the parking brake is &lt;br /&gt; released, the cable or mechanism is a little rusted or frozen causing &lt;br /&gt; everything to not release). &#160;The othere possibility would relate to your &lt;br /&gt; problem above. &#160;Your front brake calipers are slightly frozen and not &lt;br /&gt; releasing everytime you let off of the brakes. &#160;In this case you will at the &lt;br /&gt; very least need to take the calipers loose and clean all of the hardware &lt;br /&gt; that it floats on and have your rotors turned. &#160;At this point you may need &lt;br /&gt; to replace the rotors. &#160;At the very least get a look at your brakes so that &lt;br /&gt; you can formulate a plan before you get to the point of not having brakes &lt;br /&gt; when you need them. &lt;br /&gt; &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&gt; thanks in advance &lt;br /&gt; &gt; keith &lt;br /&gt; &lt;br /&gt;I hope this helps. &#160;If you have any other questions or just want to let me &lt;br /&gt; know how it turns out, feel free to write. &#160;Good Luck &amp; God Bless. &lt;br /&gt; &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Tom Heintz &#160;&quot;Mopar Maniac&quot; &lt;br /&gt;
  
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Keith Welsh &lt;kwels&#8230;@hotmail.com&gt; wrote in message </p>
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<p>&gt; Hello <br /> &gt; I have a 85 Plymouth Duster 2.2 l engine (like the turismo and charger). <br /> I <br /> &gt; have 2 problems with the brakes. &nbsp; The first is the breaks pulsates when <br /> &gt; pressed. &nbsp;The pulsation is a very smooth and does not change much with <br /> &gt; vehicle speed or breaking strength. &nbsp;The peak to peak movement of the <br /> &gt; pulsation of the pedal is perhaps a half an inch. </p>
<p>This sounds like your rotors are warped. &nbsp;If they weren&#8217;t turned for the <br /> last brake job or if your brakes are close to ready for another brake job <br /> you will have this problem. &nbsp;Chrysler was notorious for warped rotors from <br /> about the early 80&#8242;s through now. &nbsp;This could be caused your second problem <br /> that you have listed below.  </p>
<p>&nbsp;The second problem is <br /> &gt; that breaks always seem to be slightly on. &nbsp;This is a transient problem. <br /> &gt; Meaning sometimes the breaks seem to be fine (completely off when the <br /> break <br /> &gt; pedal is not pressed) and the other extreme is the point where the car <br /> &gt; brakes had be engaged (not by any pressure on the break pedal) to the <br /> point <br /> &gt; that the car would not move. &nbsp;The latter was the case even with the car <br /> not <br /> &gt; running. &nbsp;It is a master cylinder problem? &nbsp;What would cause this type of </p>
<p>effect.  </p>
<p>Two possible answers come to mind here. &nbsp;It could be that your parking brake <br /> is dragging sometimes (In other words, even though the parking brake is <br /> released, the cable or mechanism is a little rusted or frozen causing <br /> everything to not release). &nbsp;The othere possibility would relate to your <br /> problem above. &nbsp;Your front brake calipers are slightly frozen and not <br /> releasing everytime you let off of the brakes. &nbsp;In this case you will at the <br /> very least need to take the calipers loose and clean all of the hardware <br /> that it floats on and have your rotors turned. &nbsp;At this point you may need <br /> to replace the rotors. &nbsp;At the very least get a look at your brakes so that <br /> you can formulate a plan before you get to the point of not having brakes <br /> when you need them.  </p>
<p>&gt; thanks in advance <br /> &gt; keith </p>
<p>I hope this helps. &nbsp;If you have any other questions or just want to let me <br /> know how it turns out, feel free to write. &nbsp;Good Luck &amp; God Bless.  </p>
<p>Tom Heintz &nbsp;&quot;Mopar Maniac&quot; </p>
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  Check your brake fluid level, it could be low. The parking brake warning &lt;br /&gt; lamp sometimes doubled up as a low brake fluid indicator. In your case, &lt;br /&gt; acceleration causes the fluid to &quot;fall&quot; backwards in the fluid reservoir, &lt;br /&gt; and the sensor could be in front of the reservoir. &lt;br /&gt; &lt;p&gt;-- &lt;br /&gt; Rgds, &lt;br /&gt; CP &lt;br /&gt; &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Remove &quot;spamproofer&quot; for email replies. &lt;br /&gt; &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Radde Majeed &lt;maj...@americasm01.nt.com&gt; wrote in message &lt;br /&gt; &lt;br /&gt;news:392433AA.C5EF4F4B@americasm01.nt.com... &lt;br /&gt; &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;- Hide quoted text -- Show quoted text -&lt;/p&gt;&gt; Hello. &lt;br /&gt; &lt;p&gt;&gt; I have a 1993 Ford Escort LX. &lt;br /&gt; &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&gt; Recently, I&#039;ve noticed that upon accelaration from a stop sign or &lt;br /&gt; &gt; traffic light intersection, sometimes the parking brake light (indicator &lt;br /&gt; &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&gt; on the dashboard) comes on. &#160;The parking brake lever is all the way down &lt;br /&gt; &gt; though. &#160;Then, most of the time, after driving a few &lt;br /&gt; &gt; seconds, the light goes off. &#160;Also, when I deccelarate, the light goes &lt;br /&gt; &gt; off - almost always. &lt;br /&gt; &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&gt; Mind you, it doesn&#039;t feel like the parking brake is hindering motion &lt;br /&gt; &gt; like actual braking. &#160;So, this is leading me to suspect that something &lt;br /&gt; &gt; is pushed back (upon accelarating) and contacting a switch or something &lt;br /&gt; &gt; (that lights up the indicator) and when deccelarating that &lt;br /&gt; &gt; something is forced off. &#160;However, I&#039;m not too sure what is going on. &lt;br /&gt; &gt; Can anyone give me a general picture of what could be &lt;br /&gt; &gt; happening and how I can fix it. &lt;br /&gt; &lt;br /&gt;
  
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Check your brake fluid level, it could be low. The parking brake warning <br /> lamp sometimes doubled up as a low brake fluid indicator. In your case, <br /> acceleration causes the fluid to &quot;fall&quot; backwards in the fluid reservoir, <br /> and the sensor could be in front of the reservoir. <br /> 
<p>&#8211; <br /> Rgds, <br /> CP  </p>
<p>Remove &quot;spamproofer&quot; for email replies.  </p>
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<p>&gt; Hello. <br /> 
<p>&gt; I have a 1993 Ford Escort LX.  </p>
<p>&gt; Recently, I&#8217;ve noticed that upon accelaration from a stop sign or <br /> &gt; traffic light intersection, sometimes the parking brake light (indicator  </p>
<p>&gt; on the dashboard) comes on. &nbsp;The parking brake lever is all the way down <br /> &gt; though. &nbsp;Then, most of the time, after driving a few <br /> &gt; seconds, the light goes off. &nbsp;Also, when I deccelarate, the light goes <br /> &gt; off &#8211; almost always.  </p>
<p>&gt; Mind you, it doesn&#8217;t feel like the parking brake is hindering motion <br /> &gt; like actual braking. &nbsp;So, this is leading me to suspect that something <br /> &gt; is pushed back (upon accelarating) and contacting a switch or something <br /> &gt; (that lights up the indicator) and when deccelarating that <br /> &gt; something is forced off. &nbsp;However, I&#8217;m not too sure what is going on. <br /> &gt; Can anyone give me a general picture of what could be <br /> &gt; happening and how I can fix it. </p>
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  nooo - bad idea control arms are round. I&#039;d lift the car up by jacking up on &lt;br /&gt; the control arms and place the jackstand where the &quot;proper&quot; jacking area is &lt;br /&gt; (according to the manual). That&#039;s what i&#039;ve done when working underneath a &lt;br /&gt; car, however i usually lower the jack not ALL the way down in case the &lt;br /&gt; jackstand comes out-the jack itself will catch the car (vs getting squashed) &lt;br /&gt; &lt;p&gt;-- &lt;br /&gt; Men are like grapes. Women stomp all over them &lt;br /&gt; until they become something they&#039;d like to &lt;br /&gt; have their dinner with. :) &lt;br /&gt; &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Dan AKA wildncrazyguy &lt;br /&gt; http://CoolFreeLinks.com &lt;br /&gt; I.M. Late &lt;suprd...@aol.comAolsucks&gt; wrote in message &lt;br /&gt; &lt;br /&gt;news:20000521205256.10379.00001067@ng-md1.aol.com... &lt;br /&gt; &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;- Hide quoted text -- Show quoted text -&lt;/p&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;Where do jack stands go, usually? &lt;br /&gt; &lt;p&gt;&gt; &gt; &#160; There should be a diagram in the manual that tells where to use a &lt;br /&gt; &gt; &gt;hydraulic &lt;br /&gt; &gt; &gt;lift on the car. Jackstands can always safely be used on those points, &lt;br /&gt; &gt; &gt;keeping &lt;br /&gt; &gt; &gt;in mind that a lift will lift the car on a level attitude, so too much &lt;br /&gt; angle &lt;br /&gt; &gt; &gt;with jackstands, like jacking one side or end, should be approached with &lt;br /&gt; &gt; &gt;care. &lt;br /&gt; &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&gt; depending on the vehicle, jackstands can usually go beneath the car&#039;s &lt;br /&gt; lower &lt;br /&gt; &gt; control arms. &lt;br /&gt; &gt; D.B. Young. &#160; &#160; &#160;Team OS/2! &lt;br /&gt; &gt; --&gt;this message printed on recycled disk space&lt;-- &lt;br /&gt; &gt; hurry, hurry! step right up! see the computers you used as a kid! &lt;br /&gt; &gt; http://members.aol.com/suprdave/classiccmp/museum.htm &lt;br /&gt; &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&gt; Delete the obvious (Aolsucks) to reply. &lt;br /&gt; &lt;br /&gt;
  
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<p>&#8211; <br /> Men are like grapes. Women stomp all over them <br /> until they become something they&#8217;d like to <br /> have their dinner with. <img src='http://www.autodiscus.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />   </p>
<p>Dan AKA wildncrazyguy <br /> <a href="http://CoolFreeLinks.com" rel="nofollow">http://CoolFreeLinks.com</a> <br /> I.M. Late &lt;suprd&#8230;@aol.comAolsucks&gt; wrote in message </p>
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<p>&gt; &gt;&gt;Where do jack stands go, usually? <br /> 
<p>&gt; &gt; &nbsp; There should be a diagram in the manual that tells where to use a <br /> &gt; &gt;hydraulic <br /> &gt; &gt;lift on the car. Jackstands can always safely be used on those points, <br /> &gt; &gt;keeping <br /> &gt; &gt;in mind that a lift will lift the car on a level attitude, so too much <br /> angle <br /> &gt; &gt;with jackstands, like jacking one side or end, should be approached with <br /> &gt; &gt;care.  </p>
<p>&gt; depending on the vehicle, jackstands can usually go beneath the car&#8217;s <br /> lower <br /> &gt; control arms. <br /> &gt; D.B. Young. &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;Team OS/2! <br /> &gt; &#8211;&gt;this message printed on recycled disk space&lt;&#8211; <br /> &gt; hurry, hurry! step right up! see the computers you used as a kid! <br /> &gt; <a href="http://members.aol.com/suprdave/classiccmp/museum.htm" rel="nofollow">http://members.aol.com/suprdave/classiccmp/museum.htm</a>  </p>
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  &lt;p&gt;&gt;Where do jack stands go, usually? &lt;br /&gt; &lt;br /&gt;&#160; &#160;There should be a diagram in the manual that tells where to use a hydraulic &lt;br /&gt; lift on the car. Jackstands can always safely be used on those points, keeping &lt;br /&gt; in mind that a lift will lift the car on a level attitude, so too much angle &lt;br /&gt; with jackstands, like jacking one side or end, should be approached with care. &lt;br /&gt;
  
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<p>&nbsp; &nbsp;There should be a diagram in the manual that tells where to use a hydraulic <br /> lift on the car. Jackstands can always safely be used on those points, keeping <br /> in mind that a lift will lift the car on a level attitude, so too much angle <br /> with jackstands, like jacking one side or end, should be approached with care. </p>
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  Try checking the diode pack in the alternator &lt;br /&gt; If it shorts out it can cause a feed back in the field and hold the &lt;br /&gt; systen in a charging state. Have seen this on some cars, they don&#039;t &lt;br /&gt; shut off with the key. &lt;br /&gt; &lt;p&gt;George &lt;br /&gt; &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;On Mon, 12 Jun 2000 20:02:54 +1000, &quot;John Mackesy&quot; &lt;br /&gt; &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;- Hide quoted text -- Show quoted text -&lt;/p&gt;&lt;m...@melbpc.org.au&gt; wrote: &lt;br /&gt; &gt;We&#039;re probably looking at mechanical vibration effects on the meter. If you &lt;br /&gt; &gt;isolate the meter from its associated circuitry and run the machinery &lt;br /&gt; &gt;through its speed range you&#039;ll probably find the &quot;magic&quot; speed. It&#039;s an old &lt;br /&gt; &gt;and well known problem. The cure is to isolate the meter from the vibration &lt;br /&gt; &gt;source (stating the obvious!) &lt;br /&gt; &lt;p&gt;&gt;John Mackesy &lt;br /&gt; &lt;br /&gt;
  
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<p>&lt;m&#8230;@melbpc.org.au&gt; wrote: <br /> &gt;We&#8217;re probably looking at mechanical vibration effects on the meter. If you <br /> &gt;isolate the meter from its associated circuitry and run the machinery <br /> &gt;through its speed range you&#8217;ll probably find the &quot;magic&quot; speed. It&#8217;s an old <br /> &gt;and well known problem. The cure is to isolate the meter from the vibration <br /> &gt;source (stating the obvious!) <br /> 
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		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Sep 2010 10:26:23 +0000</pubDate>
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  We&#039;re probably looking at mechanical vibration effects on the meter. If you &lt;br /&gt; isolate the meter from its associated circuitry and run the machinery &lt;br /&gt; through its speed range you&#039;ll probably find the &quot;magic&quot; speed. It&#039;s an old &lt;br /&gt; and well known problem. The cure is to isolate the meter from the vibration &lt;br /&gt; source (stating the obvious!) &lt;br /&gt; &lt;p&gt;John Mackesy &lt;br /&gt;
  
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  &#160; &#160;As per your observation alternator field is cutoff at 27.2V,now the &lt;br /&gt; &#160; &#160;there is no transfer of power from turbine to generator but still &lt;br /&gt; turbine is feeding power which gives rise to extra speed in the form of &lt;br /&gt; &#160; extra stored rotating energy. &lt;br /&gt; &#160; &#160; &#160;Now comment on battery current: As the battery is already &lt;br /&gt; charged,battery &lt;br /&gt; may be discharging into generator if there is no diode to block reverse &lt;br /&gt; feed of battery.Have you noticed any change of current direction after &lt;br /&gt; generator field is disconnected.you may check along the clue i thought &lt;br /&gt; &#160; &#160; regards &lt;br /&gt; &#160; &#160; &#160;hambarde u.k &lt;br /&gt; &lt;p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;- Hide quoted text -- Show quoted text -&lt;/p&gt;&#160; jlabo...@cooptel.qc.ca wrote: &lt;br /&gt; &gt; &gt; If the alternator was still producing the same amount of current, It &lt;br /&gt; &gt; &gt; would not let the engine speed increase until the regulator comes &lt;br /&gt; in. &lt;br /&gt; &gt; &gt; (Nothing is created and nothing is lost, everything is transformed. &lt;br /&gt; &gt; &gt; Remenber this one? ) The wiring of the amp. meter must be wrong or &lt;br /&gt; the &lt;br /&gt; &gt; &gt; instrument is defective or something else, otherwise you have &lt;br /&gt; created &lt;br /&gt; &gt; &gt; a perpetual mouvement, and i don&#039;t beleave in them. ;-) &lt;br /&gt; &lt;p&gt;&gt; &gt; Michael Gillies wrote: &lt;br /&gt; &gt; &gt; &#160;Hello all. &lt;br /&gt; &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&gt; &gt; &#160;A friend of mine is using a 24V 35A alternator (motorola 8MR) in a &lt;br /&gt; &gt; &gt; 24V &lt;br /&gt; &gt; &gt; &#160;home power system. The alternator is driven by a steam engine at a &lt;br /&gt; &gt; &gt; speed (RPM) that gives between 10A &amp; 15A (charging current), which &lt;br /&gt; is &lt;br /&gt; &gt; &gt; a &lt;br /&gt; &gt; &gt; sufficient charge for his battery bank. When the voltage rises to &lt;br /&gt; &gt; &gt; &#160;approximately 27.2V, the alternator appears to disconnect (field &lt;br /&gt; &gt; &gt; turned &lt;br /&gt; &gt; &gt; &#160;off?) which reduces the mechanical load seen by the steam engine. &lt;br /&gt; At &lt;br /&gt; &gt; &gt; &#160;this stage, the steam engine speed increases (rapidly) until the &lt;br /&gt; &gt; &gt; &#160;governor engages and regulates the speed. With this happening, the &lt;br /&gt; &gt; &gt; &#160;alternator still produces 10A - 15A (charge current), according to &lt;br /&gt; &gt; &gt; the &lt;br /&gt; &gt; &gt; &#160;ammeter connected between the alternator and the battery bank &lt;br /&gt; (after &lt;br /&gt; &gt; &gt; he &lt;br /&gt; &gt; &gt; &#160;regulator). &lt;br /&gt; &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&gt; &gt; &#160;I assume that the 27.2V is the normal disconnect voltage for the &lt;br /&gt; &gt; &gt; &#160;alternator. What I don&#039;t understand is why a charging current is &lt;br /&gt; &gt; &gt; being &lt;br /&gt; &gt; &gt; &#160;produced when the field has apparently been disconnected. For this &lt;br /&gt; &gt; &gt; &#160;current to flow, the alternator voltage must be higher than the &lt;br /&gt; &gt; &gt; battery &lt;br /&gt; &gt; &gt; &#160;voltage. Does anyone know of a simple circuit that can be used to &lt;br /&gt; &gt; &gt; shunt &lt;br /&gt; &gt; &gt; &#160;the load before the alternator reaches 27.2V and disconnects? &lt;br /&gt; &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&gt; &gt; &#160;Thanks in advance. &lt;br /&gt; &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; Michael Gillies &lt;br /&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; mgill...@csse.monash.edu.au &lt;br /&gt; &lt;br /&gt;Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ &lt;br /&gt; Before you buy. &lt;br /&gt;
  
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<p>&nbsp; <a href="mailto:jlabo...@cooptel.qc.ca">jlabo&#8230;@cooptel.qc.ca</a> wrote: <br /> &gt; &gt; If the alternator was still producing the same amount of current, It <br /> &gt; &gt; would not let the engine speed increase until the regulator comes <br /> in. <br /> &gt; &gt; (Nothing is created and nothing is lost, everything is transformed. <br /> &gt; &gt; Remenber this one? ) The wiring of the amp. meter must be wrong or <br /> the <br /> &gt; &gt; instrument is defective or something else, otherwise you have <br /> created <br /> &gt; &gt; a perpetual mouvement, and i don&#8217;t beleave in them. <img src='http://www.autodiscus.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' />  <br /> 
<p>&gt; &gt; Michael Gillies wrote: <br /> &gt; &gt; &nbsp;Hello all.  </p>
<p>&gt; &gt; &nbsp;A friend of mine is using a 24V 35A alternator (motorola 8MR) in a <br /> &gt; &gt; 24V <br /> &gt; &gt; &nbsp;home power system. The alternator is driven by a steam engine at a <br /> &gt; &gt; speed (RPM) that gives between 10A &amp; 15A (charging current), which <br /> is <br /> &gt; &gt; a <br /> &gt; &gt; sufficient charge for his battery bank. When the voltage rises to <br /> &gt; &gt; &nbsp;approximately 27.2V, the alternator appears to disconnect (field <br /> &gt; &gt; turned <br /> &gt; &gt; &nbsp;off?) which reduces the mechanical load seen by the steam engine. <br /> At <br /> &gt; &gt; &nbsp;this stage, the steam engine speed increases (rapidly) until the <br /> &gt; &gt; &nbsp;governor engages and regulates the speed. With this happening, the <br /> &gt; &gt; &nbsp;alternator still produces 10A &#8211; 15A (charge current), according to <br /> &gt; &gt; the <br /> &gt; &gt; &nbsp;ammeter connected between the alternator and the battery bank <br /> (after <br /> &gt; &gt; he <br /> &gt; &gt; &nbsp;regulator).  </p>
<p>&gt; &gt; &nbsp;I assume that the 27.2V is the normal disconnect voltage for the <br /> &gt; &gt; &nbsp;alternator. What I don&#8217;t understand is why a charging current is <br /> &gt; &gt; being <br /> &gt; &gt; &nbsp;produced when the field has apparently been disconnected. For this <br /> &gt; &gt; &nbsp;current to flow, the alternator voltage must be higher than the <br /> &gt; &gt; battery <br /> &gt; &gt; &nbsp;voltage. Does anyone know of a simple circuit that can be used to <br /> &gt; &gt; shunt <br /> &gt; &gt; &nbsp;the load before the alternator reaches 27.2V and disconnects?  </p>
<p>&gt; &gt; &nbsp;Thanks in advance.  </p>
<p>&gt; &gt; &gt; Michael Gillies <br /> &gt; &gt; &gt; <a href="mailto:mgill...@csse.monash.edu.au">mgill&#8230;@csse.monash.edu.au</a> </p>
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  &lt;p&gt;- Hide quoted text -- Show quoted text -&lt;/p&gt;&gt; If the alternator was still producing the same amount of current, It &lt;br /&gt; &gt; would not let the engine speed increase until the regulator comes in. &lt;br /&gt; &gt; (Nothing is created and nothing is lost, everything is transformed. &lt;br /&gt; &gt; Remenber this one? ) The wiring of the amp. meter must be wrong or the &lt;br /&gt; &gt; instrument is defective or something else, otherwise you have created &lt;br /&gt; &gt; a perpetual mouvement, and i don&#039;t beleave in them. ;-) &lt;br /&gt; &lt;p&gt;&gt; Michael Gillies wrote: &lt;br /&gt; &gt; &#160;Hello all. &lt;br /&gt; &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&gt; &#160;A friend of mine is using a 24V 35A alternator (motorola 8MR) in a &lt;br /&gt; &gt; 24V &lt;br /&gt; &gt; &#160;home power system. The alternator is driven by a steam engine at a &lt;br /&gt; &gt; speed (RPM) that gives between 10A &amp; 15A (charging current), which is &lt;br /&gt; &gt; a &lt;br /&gt; &gt; sufficient charge for his battery bank. When the voltage rises to &lt;br /&gt; &gt; &#160;approximately 27.2V, the alternator appears to disconnect (field &lt;br /&gt; &gt; turned &lt;br /&gt; &gt; &#160;off?) which reduces the mechanical load seen by the steam engine. At &lt;br /&gt; &gt; &#160;this stage, the steam engine speed increases (rapidly) until the &lt;br /&gt; &gt; &#160;governor engages and regulates the speed. With this happening, the &lt;br /&gt; &gt; &#160;alternator still produces 10A - 15A (charge current), according to &lt;br /&gt; &gt; the &lt;br /&gt; &gt; &#160;ammeter connected between the alternator and the battery bank (after &lt;br /&gt; &gt; he &lt;br /&gt; &gt; &#160;regulator). &lt;br /&gt; &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&gt; &#160;I assume that the 27.2V is the normal disconnect voltage for the &lt;br /&gt; &gt; &#160;alternator. What I don&#039;t understand is why a charging current is &lt;br /&gt; &gt; being &lt;br /&gt; &gt; &#160;produced when the field has apparently been disconnected. For this &lt;br /&gt; &gt; &#160;current to flow, the alternator voltage must be higher than the &lt;br /&gt; &gt; battery &lt;br /&gt; &gt; &#160;voltage. Does anyone know of a simple circuit that can be used to &lt;br /&gt; &gt; shunt &lt;br /&gt; &gt; &#160;the load before the alternator reaches 27.2V and disconnects? &lt;br /&gt; &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&gt; &#160;Thanks in advance. &lt;br /&gt; &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&gt; &gt; Michael Gillies &lt;br /&gt; &gt; &gt; mgill...@csse.monash.edu.au &lt;br /&gt; &lt;br /&gt;
  
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<p>&gt; If the alternator was still producing the same amount of current, It <br /> &gt; would not let the engine speed increase until the regulator comes in. <br /> &gt; (Nothing is created and nothing is lost, everything is transformed. <br /> &gt; Remenber this one? ) The wiring of the amp. meter must be wrong or the <br /> &gt; instrument is defective or something else, otherwise you have created <br /> &gt; a perpetual mouvement, and i don&#8217;t beleave in them. <img src='http://www.autodiscus.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' />  <br /> 
<p>&gt; Michael Gillies wrote: <br /> &gt; &nbsp;Hello all.  </p>
<p>&gt; &nbsp;A friend of mine is using a 24V 35A alternator (motorola 8MR) in a <br /> &gt; 24V <br /> &gt; &nbsp;home power system. The alternator is driven by a steam engine at a <br /> &gt; speed (RPM) that gives between 10A &amp; 15A (charging current), which is <br /> &gt; a <br /> &gt; sufficient charge for his battery bank. When the voltage rises to <br /> &gt; &nbsp;approximately 27.2V, the alternator appears to disconnect (field <br /> &gt; turned <br /> &gt; &nbsp;off?) which reduces the mechanical load seen by the steam engine. At <br /> &gt; &nbsp;this stage, the steam engine speed increases (rapidly) until the <br /> &gt; &nbsp;governor engages and regulates the speed. With this happening, the <br /> &gt; &nbsp;alternator still produces 10A &#8211; 15A (charge current), according to <br /> &gt; the <br /> &gt; &nbsp;ammeter connected between the alternator and the battery bank (after <br /> &gt; he <br /> &gt; &nbsp;regulator).  </p>
<p>&gt; &nbsp;I assume that the 27.2V is the normal disconnect voltage for the <br /> &gt; &nbsp;alternator. What I don&#8217;t understand is why a charging current is <br /> &gt; being <br /> &gt; &nbsp;produced when the field has apparently been disconnected. For this <br /> &gt; &nbsp;current to flow, the alternator voltage must be higher than the <br /> &gt; battery <br /> &gt; &nbsp;voltage. Does anyone know of a simple circuit that can be used to <br /> &gt; shunt <br /> &gt; &nbsp;the load before the alternator reaches 27.2V and disconnects?  </p>
<p>&gt; &nbsp;Thanks in advance.  </p>
<p>&gt; &gt; Michael Gillies <br /> &gt; &gt; <a href="mailto:mgill...@csse.monash.edu.au">mgill&#8230;@csse.monash.edu.au</a> </p>
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